After-death-do-we-sleep-till-the-resurrection

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The strongest verse that supports the saints NOT sleeping immediately after they die, is found in Rev 20

Rev 20:4 (NAS or New American Standard Bible version) And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.



Abraham didnt "sleep" after he died.



Jn 8:56 (NAS) “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, (usual age for a Jewish elder, not an accurate estimate of Jesus actual age per the mistaken Irenaus) and have You seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.



Moses and Elijah didn't "sleep" after they died



Matthew 17 (NAS) The Transfiguration 17:1 Six days later Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves. 2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” 5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!” 6 When the disciples heard this, they fell face down to the ground and were terrified. 7 And Jesus came to them and touched them and said, “Get up, and do not be afraid.” 8 And lifting up their eyes, they saw no one except Jesus Himself alone.

For those of you who believe that Saul summoned up the spirit of Samuel (and not some imitating demon), consider:

1 Samuel 28 (NAS) Saul and the Spirit Medium 28:1 Now it came about in those days that the Philistines gathered their armed camps for war, to fight against Israel. And Achish said to David, “Know assuredly that you will go out with me in the camp, you and your men.” 2 David said to Achish, “Very well, you shall know what your servant can do.” So Achish said to David, “Very well, I will make you my bodyguard for life.”

3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him and buried him in Ramah, his own city. And Saul had removed from the land those who were mediums and spiritists. 4 So the Philistines gathered together and came and camped in Shunem; and Saul gathered all Israel together and they camped in Gilboa. 5 When Saul saw the camp of the Philistines, he was afraid and his heart trembled greatly. 6 When Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD did not answer him, either by dreams or by Urim or by prophets. 7 Then Saul said to his servants, “Seek for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.” And his servants said to him, “Behold, there is a woman who is a medium at En-dor.”

8 Then Saul disguised himself by putting on other clothes, and went, he and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night; and he said, “Conjure up for me, please, and bring up for me whom I shall name to you.” 9 But the woman said to him, “Behold, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off those who are mediums and spiritists from the land. Why are you then laying a snare for my life to bring about my death?” 10 Saul vowed to her by the LORD, saying, “As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.” 11 Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.” 12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul.” 13 The king said to her, “Do not be afraid; but what do you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I see a divine being coming up out of the earth.” 14 He said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped with a robe.” And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and did homage.

15 Then Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” And Saul answered, “I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and no longer answers me, either through prophets or by dreams; therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I should do.” 16 Samuel said, “Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has departed from you and has become your adversary? 17 “The LORD has done accordingly as He spoke through me; for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, to David. 18“ As you did not obey the LORD and did not execute His fierce wrath on Amalek, so the LORD has done this thing to you this day. 19 “Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!”
20 Then Saul immediately fell full length upon the ground and was very afraid because of the words of Samuel;



In The parable of Lazerus and the Rich Man, Lazerus is not "asleep", neither is the rich man

The Rich Man and Lazarus Lk 16:19 (NAS) “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20“And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22“Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.

23“In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24“And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25“But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26‘And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’

27“And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29“But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30“But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31“But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”.



For God to be the "God of the Living" and "Not the God of the Dead", given what you know from all the verses shared with you above, does it sound like Jesus meant that God is the God of millions who are sleeping, and of course all the angels? Are those the "living" who Jesus was referring to? True enough the verse below seems to limit it self to "in the resurrection" time, but can we not interpolate from this verse and all those above, that the "the Living" includes a very much alive and conscious (not sleeping) quantity of "elect" who have died in Christ, or as "God-Fearers" in the Old Testament?



Mark 12:18 (NAS) Some Sadducees (who say that there is no resurrection) came to Jesus, and began questioning Him, saying, 19“Teacher, Moses wrote for us that IF A MAN’S BROTHER DIES and leaves behind a wife AND LEAVES NO CHILD, HIS BROTHER SHOULD MARRY THE WIFE AND RAISE UP CHILDREN TO HIS BROTHER. 20“There were seven brothers; and the first took a wife, and died leaving no children. 21“The second one married her, and died leaving behind no children; and the third likewise; 22and so all seven left no children. Last of all the woman died also. 23“In the resurrection, when they rise again, which one’s wife will she be? For all seven had married her.”

24Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God? 25“For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 26“But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, and the God of Jacob’? 27“He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken.”



Groups such as the 7th day Adventists who do believe that we all sleep after we die, until we are awakened at the resurrection, base that belief on such verses as John 11 below:

John 11 This He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep.” 12The disciples then said to Him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” 13Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that He was speaking of literal sleep. 14So Jesus then said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, 15and I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, so that you may believe; but let us go to him.”



But this kind of "sleep" is merely the observable effect on the human body of what we can see here on earth. It says nothing about where the mans soul or spirit is, nor what they are doing.

The "sleep until the resurrection" camp also base that belief on such verses as 1 Cor 15:22 ff below:

For Just as in Adam, all die, so In Christ, all will be made alive, but each in his own order. Christ the First Fruits, then those who are Christs at his Coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers up the Kingdom to the God and Father ...



But this "made alive ... at His Coming" can refer to when our bodies get resurrected and rejoined with our spirits. It does not mean that our spirits and souls were "asleep" before the resurrection.

Then there is the "outside the Bible" evidence of flatliners who saw their dead parents, grand parents, even pets, while visiting heaven.

There are hundreds of NDE (Near Death Experience) reports of what heaven is like. They are filled with people who are "asleep" here on earth, i.e. "dead", but very much alive right now, in heaven. All the books mentioned below are available on Amazon.com

The following are rich and famous people who have risked it all to tell the world about their NDE. Some of these accounts are documented in Jean Ritchie's excellent book, "Death's Door" Tracy Morgan ; William Petersen ; Ozzy Osbourne Jane Seymour ; Tony Bennett ; Nikki Sixx Peter Sellers ; Donald Sutherland ; Roy Horn Elizabeth Taylor ; Erik Estrada ; Jeremy Kagan Robert Pastorelli ; Burt Reynolds ; Ronald Reagan Sharon Stone ; Chevy Chase ; Johnny Cash Gary Busey ; Eric Roberts ; George Foreman Larry Hagman ; George Lucas ; Elvis Presley

To read of the NDE (Near Death Experiences) of some of these people go to:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/rich-and-famous.html

"Life After Life" is a 1975 book written by psychiatrist Raymond Moody. It is a report on a qualitative study in which Moody interviewed 150 people who had undergone near-death experiences (NDEs). The book presents the author's composite account of what it is like to die. On the basis of his collection of cases, Moody identified a common set of elements in NDEs:

(a) an overwhelming feeling of peace and well-being, including freedom from pain.
(b) the impression of being located outside one's physical body.
(c) floating or drifting through darkness, sometimes described as a tunnel.
(d) becoming aware of a golden light.
(e) encountering and perhaps communicating with a "being of light".
(f) having a rapid succession of visual images of one's past.
(g) experiencing another world of much beauty.

"Life After Life" sold more than 13 million copies,[4] was translated into a dozen foreign languages[5] and became an international best seller, which made the subject of NDEs popular and opened the way for many other studies.[6][7]

"Proof of Heaven" by Eben Alexander

"To Heaven and Back" by Mary C Neal, MD

"Evidence of the Afterlife" by Jeff Long

"Embraced by the Light" by Betty Eadie

"23 Minutes in Hell", 2006 book by Bill Wiese recounting what the author believes were his experiences in Hell in 1998

From Wikipedia "90 Minutes in Heaven" is a 2004 New York Times best-selling[1] Christian book written by Don Piper with Cecil Murphey.[2] The book documents the author's death and resurrection experience in 1989. 90 Minutes in Heaven remained on the New York Times best-seller list for more than five years[1] and has sold over six million copies. The book has also been adapted into a feature-length film, released in theaters on September 11, 2015.

Summary

On January 18, 1989, Baptist minister Don Piper was on his way home from a conference in Texas when a semi-trailer truck struck his Ford Taurus while crossing a bridge. Piper describes that he was crushed by the roof of his car, the steering wheel impaled his chest, and the dashboard collapsed on his legs. When paramedics arrived, they could not find any sign of life in Piper and covered him with a tarp as a fellow pastor prayed over him while waiting for the medical examiner to arrive.

According to Piper, he went straight to Heaven and experienced things he describes as amazing and beautiful, including meeting family members such as his great-grandmother and joining a Heavenly Choir that proceeded into the Gates of Heaven. Piper, an ordained minister since 1985, has recounted his narrative before 3,000 live audiences that included more than 1.5 million people and appeared on numerous television and radio programs.

"Saved by the Light" by Dannion Brinkley

"Imagine Heaven" by John Burke

"The Big Book of Near Death Experiences" by P.M.H. Atwater

"Lessons from the Light, What we can learn from NDE's" by Kenneth Ring

"My Descent into death" by Howard Storm

And many more, if you google NDEs